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So the YoT got a job. He has is Sign All The Stuff meeting on Friday… - Tactical Ninja

Jun. 26th, 2013

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From:vernacularity
Date:June 25th, 2013 10:09 pm (UTC)
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I'm in the "passion is all very well but it doesn't pay the rent unless you are also very lucky" camp. Job snobbery is utterly outdated. I'd work at the Warehouse if it got me my petrol money. There is also a lot of value in knowing you can leave a job and come back to it, not the same in many places. Also I thought McD's had an education program me. Might be wrong.
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From:tatjna
Date:June 25th, 2013 10:12 pm (UTC)
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It does, and that's one of the things that makes it worth him sticking with it I reckon. Also, the fact that he asked about it probably helped in his interview, eh?
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From:tatjna
Date:June 25th, 2013 10:49 pm (UTC)
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Happy, bringing the sunshine since..

.. well, never.
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From:Will Marshall
Date:June 26th, 2013 06:44 pm (UTC)
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Complaining that your job lacks passion seems a particularly middle-class whinge.

Bah.

We're human. Passion is important. Wanting a job you're passionate about seems like a reasonable goal for ... everyone.

There are many contexts where this isn't an achievable goal, but it doesn't mean it isn't reasonable, or that we should condemn someone for pursuing it.
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From:Will Marshall
Date:June 26th, 2013 07:45 pm (UTC)
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The need for food doesn't invalidate the need for self-actualization. Both are legitimate, one takes priority.

The phrase "middle-class whinge" is a way to invalidate whatever the person you're describing is asking for, by implying that their wants are unreasonable/illegitimate.
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From:tatjna
Date:June 26th, 2013 08:18 pm (UTC)
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As someone who has spent a reasonable amount of time prioritising self-actualisation over the need for food, I'd like to agree that both values are valid.

However, I'd also like to respectfully suggest that being in a position to complain about a lack of passion in one's work is a privilege that comes from knowing that one's arse is covered, food-and-rent wise. Which is why folks who work for minimum wage tend to whinge more about their low wages than they do about the crapness of the work they do.

Therefore, while I knew that Happy's flippant comment would get under your skin I also think that he's right to an extent, and that what he's saying doesn't necessarily invalidate self-actualisation as a goal. It merely points out the changing prioritisation of values that comes with security.
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From:Will Marshall
Date:June 26th, 2013 09:49 pm (UTC)
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Those of us in a position to focus on self-actualisation are prone to forgetting about those who aren't.

I'll confess I find comments like Happy's triggering, for obvious reasons.

I'm privileged and I'm currently pursuing self-actualisation like crazy. I get a fair bit of "you're entitled" or "get real" type feedback, which is mostly about discouraging me from doing ... whatever I happen to be doing.

I just finished my first round as a teacher. Apparently my class was everyone's favourite. Rather proud.
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From:tatjna
Date:June 26th, 2013 10:21 pm (UTC)
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I sincerely hope you are introducing yourself as Professor Toddles.
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From:Will Marshall
Date:June 26th, 2013 09:52 pm (UTC)
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The other thing I've noticed about humans is that the importance we place on our needs doesn't line up with their relative importance.

E.g. we take our need for self-actualisation just as seriously as our need for security. We can *say* that the former is less important than the latter, but provided the latter is covered we don't really behave that way.
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From:eska_rina
Date:July 3rd, 2013 03:23 pm (UTC)
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Word.

I worked 3-4 years as a service assistant in two different, crappy malls, and shit I hated it, but it made me able to be independent, to move out and put food on the table and pay the rent and learn - or try to, anyway - how to be responsible and blah blah blah. I have a passion for my field, for the education I'm taking, but as soon as I get a new job, I'll take it, no matter how shitty it is, 'cause right now I'm unable to pay the rent nor buy any food, and holy shit this is the worst thing ever.

(And tbh I really dislike the lack of respect there is around jobs, which normally aren't seen as being "passionate-inducing" jobs; some of them are among the most necessary jobs to make the societies we have build work, yet they are often overlooked.)
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