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Jun. 26th, 2013

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So the YoT got a job. He has is Sign All The Stuff meeting on Friday and that's where he'll find out what his shifts will be and how many hours he'll be working.

Yes, it's at McDonald's. He'll be flipping burgers. Or more likely working in the cafe because of the barista thing.


Here's a thing. I know a significant number of people who think that working for McDonald's is somehow sacrificing your integrity to the Cult of the Giant Corporation, and that the best thing a smart kid like the YoT could do is teach himself programming and then create a startup doing something that springs from his fertile imagination that's never been thought of before, and make millions. Or at least, be his own boss, which is superior to flipping burgers in every possible way.

I know some very impressive people who have done some very impressive things straight off the mark, and demonstrated that it is possible to take a non-traditional route to success. I take my hat off to those people.

Those people are not the YoT. He's his own person with his own ideas, and his idea is that he wants to work, earn money, and move out of home. Personally, I think gaining his independence is a pretty admirable goal, even if it is too normal for some folks' tastes.

Thing is, those folks up there, the ones who go and do all these fantastic things and never flip a burger or swipe a checkout? They probably already have a passion, something they know they want to do with their lives. They probably had people who backed that up, even if it was only in the financial support or facilitation or creation of time. They probably had encouragement to have passions when they were developing them.

The YoT's had none of that. And even if he had, that's no guarantee that he'd know what the hell he wanted to do beyond gaining his independence anyway. But independence creates the space for self-actualisation and I've got no doubt that eventually, the YoT will get passionate about something and off he'll go.

Back in the Day, I flipped burgers. I planted kumara, picked kumara, sorted bloody kumara. I swept up sheep shit and sorted wool and wrote poetry in my head while I was doing it. I spent years cutting shit off sheep's arses. I arranged flowers and I cut up dead cows in a meatworks. I cleaned other people's toilets. And what all that dead-end work did was to set me up with everything I needed mentally and physically so that when I finally did find a passion, I could just go do it.

So the YoT will go and flip burgers for a while, and he may end up getting some free education. He's chosen a workplace that stood up against the youth rates, so he'll be paid like the full citizen he is. He'll learn to discipline himself to do stuff even when he doesn't feel like it for the sake of his other goals, and most importantly, he'll have some financial independence which will allow him to begin to shape his own future.


What he does with that is completely up to him - but the fact that he has it makes me think of the 13 year old kid that rescued himself 5 years ago, and I'm damn proud that my kid has a job at McDonald's.

Now, if the universe could just materialise a job for fuvenusrs when she gets here, I think that'll be all the job-requirements of my little community pretty much sorted.

H'hear me universe? Step up.

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From:goddessofchaos
Date:June 25th, 2013 09:31 pm (UTC)
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I constantly read articles here raving on about how people should follow their passion and become entrepreneurs and so on and so forth, as if everyone and anyone could do it, but it's not that simple - and it would be a strange kind of world if we were all trying to do that!

I think there's absolutely nothing wrong with starting out in a job with McDonalds, or whoever, to earn a bit of money, learn a basic work ethic and just generally start becoming a part of the adult working society. Better to be doing that, while you figure out your long-term plans, than to just sit around doing nothing.

So, good for him!
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From:tatjna
Date:June 25th, 2013 09:36 pm (UTC)
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From just before the YoT was born, our government started talking about 'the knowledge economy' which was supposed to be based on educated people doing educated things, and replace agriculture as the country's main export.

Which is all well and good, I'm all for education and innovation, and I'm glad we're becoming less reliant on agriculture too, because agriculture is a big carbon emitter.

But, the mistake they made was to try and channel everybody into the knowledge economy, and this meant that people who would normally learn a trade were instead pushed into university. Now a bachelor's degree's only good enough to get you an entry level job, and there's a giant shortage of tradespeople, who often now make more money than a senior policy analyst.

So I'm all for taking the traditional route. It's actually not that traditional any more. ;-)
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From:m_danson
Date:June 25th, 2013 09:55 pm (UTC)
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Independence is a very admirable goal.
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From:dianavilliers
Date:June 25th, 2013 09:57 pm (UTC)
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Good on him. And the thing is, if he does suddenly find a passion for programming, or becoming a mariachi star, or training ferrits or something, that can be done in parallell with the Maccers job until it looks like it will start paying for itself anyway.
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From:vernacularity
Date:June 25th, 2013 10:09 pm (UTC)
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I'm in the "passion is all very well but it doesn't pay the rent unless you are also very lucky" camp. Job snobbery is utterly outdated. I'd work at the Warehouse if it got me my petrol money. There is also a lot of value in knowing you can leave a job and come back to it, not the same in many places. Also I thought McD's had an education program me. Might be wrong.
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From:tatjna
Date:June 25th, 2013 10:12 pm (UTC)
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It does, and that's one of the things that makes it worth him sticking with it I reckon. Also, the fact that he asked about it probably helped in his interview, eh?
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From:rivet
Date:June 25th, 2013 10:09 pm (UTC)
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Good for him! I worked at Starbucks for 2-3 years when I was in school (before it was evil). I worked in a book shop, I was the obnoxious market researcher who rang during dinner. It all makes money, and at this stage that's freedom and independence.
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From:pombagira
Date:June 25th, 2013 10:22 pm (UTC)
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hey i was one of those market researchers to back in my student days.. *laughs*.. fun times!!

also today i am wearing a pair of boots you gave me.. i is tall with warm feet!!
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From:tyellas
Date:June 25th, 2013 10:21 pm (UTC)
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Congrats to the YoT for putting himself out there! Financial independence for the win.
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From:pombagira
Date:June 25th, 2013 10:25 pm (UTC)
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whoohoo!! yay YoT's new job, *bounces*

i started working in a supermarket, then a fruit shop, a dairy, more supermarkets, then filing clerk for the govt.. so many its hard to remember..

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From:khaybee
Date:June 25th, 2013 10:28 pm (UTC)
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I used to work at McDonalds. My initial management training was at Hamburger University run by McDonalds. It taught me all the management skills I needed to shift over to bank management, which taught me all the skills I needed to get into an MBA program. Opportunities are what you make of them, and I believe that McDonalds led directly to my MBA.
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From:tatjna
Date:June 26th, 2013 02:00 am (UTC)
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Apart from the silly name, I'm told their training is quite good. I've even met people who made a career out of McD's.

o.O
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From:thesecondcircle
Date:June 25th, 2013 10:59 pm (UTC)
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Congratulations and good on him! May he enjoy being his own, independent person and learning useful things about living on his own. And especially good since, if he chooses a different path later, he knows you are there to back him up and support him -- no matter what he chooses.

Also, I think we should call him the MoT -- the Man of Tomorrow!
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From:t_c_da
Date:June 25th, 2013 11:48 pm (UTC)
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... he knows you are there to back him up and support him ...

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From:richaarde
Date:June 26th, 2013 12:47 am (UTC)
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They probably already have a passion, something they know they want to do with their lives.

Or rich parents.

There's nothing wrong with working at McDonald's. Hopefully he will gain some skills there that will serve him well in the future.
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From:tieke
Date:June 26th, 2013 01:03 am (UTC)
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I already had a passion when I left school, and it got me ... jobs shovelling up shit in stables. I know, impressive, eh? However, the jobs shovelling up shit led to some pretty fast growing up, and a realisation that I didn't much like the jobs that you could get without a degree. Which in turn led me to be much more motivated than I would otherwise have been, when I did get to university.

Not sure what point I'm trying to make, except Yay!! Job!!!
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From:tatjna
Date:June 26th, 2013 02:00 am (UTC)
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Yeah, chasing my passion led to handling shit a lot too, but I wasn't quite as quick off the mark as you when it comes to the education --> more options equation.

Mostly it just led to an attitude of banging my head on the wall till either the wall falls down or my head falls off.

Doh.
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From:subtle_haven
Date:June 26th, 2013 01:48 am (UTC)
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Eh, I am convinced that shitty jobs build character and pay off in the end. ...at least it's what I am telling myself.
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From:tatjna
Date:June 26th, 2013 01:58 am (UTC)
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I must have lots of character then, because at least 50% of my career has involved dealing, directly and literally, with shit. ;-)

I do wonder though, exactly how much character does one person need?
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From:anna_en_route
Date:June 26th, 2013 02:24 am (UTC)
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I cleaned, picked berries and did a whole bunch of really weird student job search jobs, I'm definitely not in a position to judge.

The only thing I would suggest is that the YOT sign up with kiwisaver before he's used to having an income (and heck setting up a savings account with a regular deposit would be a good thing too).

No matter what he does with his life, a pool of savings will make it much easier to accomplish later on.

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From:tatjna
Date:June 26th, 2013 02:43 am (UTC)
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He's already in KiwiSaver, so I'm assuming that he'll be auto-signed up for it when he starts work, he should just have to give them details of his bank. Or something. I'm actually a bit confused about this because I know the rules changed recently.

You don't happen to know whether it's still opt-out or whether you now have to opt in when you start a new job?
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From:raincitygirl
Date:June 26th, 2013 03:17 am (UTC)
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Hey, nothing wrong with working at MacDonald's. It's honest work.
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From:t_c_da
Date:June 26th, 2013 03:51 am (UTC)
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One just has to hope that the local franchisee has a clue about management. Half my family have worked at McDs at some stage of their career (including myself) and having a decent manager makes one helluva difference. I worked in a store where the owners style when something didn't go according to Hoyle was "kick the nearest butt and Accept.No.Explanation.From.Anyone.Ever". Most of my kids worked in a different store where the management style was polar opposites to that...
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From:helianthas
Date:June 26th, 2013 05:37 am (UTC)
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Go YoT! McDonald's is an excellent place for a first job. Congrats!
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From:jaelle_n_gilla
Date:June 26th, 2013 07:59 am (UTC)
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Woohoot! Hey, a job is a job, and a start is a start. If he can get free ed and full pay while doing that, it's a good job. The company doesn't matter so much. And, hey, despite all the fretting he's got it pretty quickly, right? Good on him!

It's always a bit funny when I read about those starter jobs in the US or NZ or Aussieland, even. Germany still has this very traditional way of apprenticeship. You go to school, you decide either on highschool and possibly university after that, or you decide on an apprenticeship and "job school" along with that when you are 16. Then you train your chosen profession half on site and hands on, and half in school, with all the theory and math and all that behind it. You have a test at the end of, say, 3 years, and then you are an adept, or companion, or whatever the word is in English. You can go for master then, or not. Your choice. It's a career path rather than wondering what to do with your life...

Sounds like Freemasons, or a fantasy roleplay, right? ;-)
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From:tatjna
Date:June 26th, 2013 08:21 pm (UTC)
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Heh. It also sounds like the educational model for vocational training that is currently considered to be the one the Western world should be following.

Our government is trying to do a similar thing by starting things called Trade Academies, but the difference between Germany and NZ is that the German government backed its policy with legislation and funding to ensure that workplaces and education providers would work together. The NZ government just went "Hey you lot, we know we set you up in competition for the last 20 years, but you have to collaborate now, and by the way we expect better results but we're cutting your funding."

(hehe, spot the near-rant from someone who works in the sector)
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From:nessaneko
Date:June 26th, 2013 10:24 am (UTC)
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"the best thing a smart kid like the YoT could do is teach himself programming and then create a startup doing something that springs from his fertile imagination that's never been thought of before, and make millions."

This STEM snobbery (because let's face it, it is snobbery, and it's pretty much entirely from people who've gone into STEM fields) really, really fucks me off. I'm a pretty smart woman. In fact, I'm smart enough to be doing a Masters, and I've got a whole bunch of creativity on the side. But programming/maths/science/tech stuff has never been where I'm interested in or where my passions lie. That kind of shit up there makes such huge assumptions that everyone who is smart is smart in the same way, and that the world needs nothing ever except programmers and entrepreneurs running start-ups. Actually, the world fucking needs policy analysts. And lawyers. And mechanics. And plumbers, and builders, and seamstresses, and yes, the world needs people to flip burgers. Ugh.
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From:laoke
Date:June 26th, 2013 11:12 am (UTC)
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I'm firmly of the opinion that most interesting people have no clue what they want to do much before 30. Hell, I didn't actually start with the flipping of the burgers, I worked my way up to that from scrubbing potatoes for the local Fish n'Chip shop!

He'll be fine. Hell, the customer service training alone is worth its weight in gold - it means he can make a claim to be customer service focused and back it up with qualifications (I'm pretty sure McDs runs KiwiHost certification) when he moves on.

Good first job. Well done, YoT!

Although, if he's got a job and all - is he really still a youth? Is he not trending with rapid speed towards that mark of maturity we call adulthood?

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From:tatjna
Date:June 26th, 2013 08:22 pm (UTC)
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This is a question I'm asking myself. Technically he's a youth till he's 25, but I think he needs a new name here. Open for suggestions.
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From:meathiel
Date:June 26th, 2013 03:34 pm (UTC)
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A job is a job is a job ... so what???
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From:tatjna
Date:June 26th, 2013 08:23 pm (UTC)
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It's amazing how many people say that about working retail. ;-)

I guess it's a good thing that at least some people enjoy it, eh?
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