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Apr. 9th, 2013

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I am somewhat taken aback at the amount of joy I am seeing expressed regarding the death of Margaret Thatcher.

I saw less over Osama Bin Laden.

I was a teenager when she came to power, and her policies (or our government's adoption of them) affected my early life in many negative ways. I detest neoliberalism and what it stands for, because I believe it lacks compassion. I understand that this lack of compassion has led to tangible disadvantages in an ongoing way for a lot of people. In short, Thatcher was responsible for a great deal of deep and abiding suffering in the world.

But to feel joy at someone's death, and to proclaim it so gleefully? I can't get on board with that. Sorry.

[edit] It seems Russell Brand and I have this in common then. "if you opposed Thatcher's ideas it is likely because of their lack of compassion, which is really just a word for love. If love is something you cherish it is hard to glean much joy from death, even in one's enemies."

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From:pombagira
Date:April 9th, 2013 12:54 am (UTC)
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i have not seen the joy so much, but i dont feel that at her passing..

i do however get confused at the ' they were an amazing person who did no wrong' that happans when somebody dies.. i would prefer to know the good and teh bad, a person is generally both...


*ponders this*
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From:tatjna
Date:April 9th, 2013 01:57 am (UTC)
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Paul Holmes, for example?
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From:tatjna
Date:April 9th, 2013 01:52 am (UTC)
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That's the thing. I don't give a rat's arse. I care as much about her death as she'd care about mine. Same for Lange and his ilk, who are far closer to the 'butchery' that kiwis suffered under the same types of policy.

And I'm not above *cough* dancing on someone's grave*cough* either. But there's something about the gleeful public celebration of the death of an old woman who no longer had any power, that just makes me think her lack of compassion has been contagious, and that's pretty much a win for her style of thinking.
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From:richaarde
Date:April 9th, 2013 01:46 am (UTC)
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The way I see it, this is part of the game of politics. If you can't take the heat, you don't belong in the kitchen. Ms. Thatcher played the game knowing she was going to piss people off. She had to have figured that those on the left were going to enjoy a little Schadenfreude at her expense. (It was much the same for her American counterpart Ronald Reagan - all the old dirt got dredged up all over again when he passed away.)

And I'm not buying that it's strictly a neoliberal thing. Conservatives do all the same things.
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From:tatjna
Date:April 9th, 2013 01:54 am (UTC)
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Thatcher herself is beyond having any response to the public reaction to her death. Her family, on the other hand.. do they have to take her heat as well? And does her having concocted such evil policies make it OK to put her family through that?

And nobody's saying it's strictly neoliberal. But she was, and that's what this post is about.
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From:bekitty
Date:April 9th, 2013 02:09 am (UTC)
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Yeah. I reckon that if her policies and political views had died with her, then THAT would be a cause for celebration. But they didn't. So gleefully celebrating her death is more than a little macabre.

However, I can be amused at the press coverage of her death, and in particular the stuffups. Like for instance, Stuff having the headline "Iron Curtain Falls"... didn't that happen in 1945? Or the BBC, who initially reported that Thatcher died "following a strike". Whooooops. Freudian typo much?
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From:ferrouswheel
Date:April 9th, 2013 02:32 am (UTC)
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Perhaps it serves as a warning to those that follow those policies that the world will not remember them fondly.
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From:bekitty
Date:April 9th, 2013 02:16 am (UTC)
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Oh, and the other thing I really don't like? People saying "ding dong the witch is dead". That's fucking disrespectful to witches.
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From:tatjna
Date:April 9th, 2013 02:19 am (UTC)
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I'm also quietly wondering about the level of vitriol in relation to her gender - but I'm struggling to come up with a male leader as a basis for comparison. Reagan springs to mind but I don't have any recollection of that time and I'm not sure I'm up for researching it today.
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From:hullabalo_o
Date:April 9th, 2013 05:07 am (UTC)
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This, so much, one of my friends struggled to find merits about her (a strong woman when we needed one, first female pm but more than likely now our last) and there's very few things she did that helped us but that's it.

My mum thought she was wonderful they always said they were better off under her power (other than when the poll tax came in!) also my granddad bought his council home (bad move though next door didn't and he always had crazy neighbours). I understand the hate she fucked a lot of things up BUT to be to joyful over her death?! :/ not good at all, lost respect for a few of my friends too tbh.
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From:tatjna
Date:April 9th, 2013 08:26 pm (UTC)
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not sorry she's dead, nor do I have anything good to say about her or her policies. I'm just not on board with public gloating.
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From:anna_en_route
Date:April 9th, 2013 05:41 am (UTC)
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I'm not exactly dancing on her grave but I do have to admit to snickering at Ken Loach's suggestion about remembering her:

"How should we honor her? Let’s privatize her funeral. Put it out to competitive tender and accept the cheapest bid. It’s what she would have wanted."
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From:tatjna
Date:April 9th, 2013 08:24 pm (UTC)
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That's pretty funny in an ironic kind of way. And much less mean-spirited than some of the other suggestions I've seen.
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From:meathiel
Date:April 9th, 2013 07:15 am (UTC)
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I totally agree with you ...
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From:jaelle_n_gilla
Date:April 9th, 2013 07:25 am (UTC)
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Yes, that's really nasty! Politicians are elected. At least in democratic countries. A majority of the British people wanted her, that's why she ruled, and that's why she ruled how she ruled, and was reelected for it too. Other countries had the option to adopt her ways, or not, but it's up to the people to tell their government what they want through elections. Mrs. Thatcher hasn't affected the world or her own country much after her prime minister time, that was other people, other politicians, and their voters. Why the hate?
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From:kehleyr
Date:April 9th, 2013 02:02 pm (UTC)
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Oh I haven't seen that (yet)... I am like you... it's hard to feel JOY that someone has passed away :-/
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From:plantgirl
Date:April 9th, 2013 06:29 pm (UTC)
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This.

I don't care if it's the Westboro Baptist Church protesting at a funeral, or people celebrating Thatcher's death. I find it very disconcerting. It's one thing to disagree with Thatcher's policies and be glad her era is truly over. To use someone's death as an opportunity to bash them in public is... icky. It only causes pain for the survivors. No matter how evil a person might have been, there are probably people who loved them who are now grieving that death. Keep the comments private, or limited to the actions, not the person. Ad hominem attacks aren't suddenly ok just because the recipient has deceased.

*sigh*
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From:goddessofchaos
Date:April 9th, 2013 09:12 pm (UTC)
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I can't get on board with it either. However much you loathed her politics, she was a human being and she leaves behind family and friends who are grieving.
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From:wildilocks
Date:April 10th, 2013 10:27 am (UTC)
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Having thought about it for a bit, I do agree with some of the analysis that finds the particularly gleeful celebration of her death to be largely because of her gender, because any man who would have done the same level of harm that she had done (and let's face it - she was appalling, but she wasn't Hitler, Stalin, or Mao Tse-Tung.) would have never received the level of triumphant jubilation upon their passing, in this very overt and gruesome manner.
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From:tatjna
Date:April 10th, 2013 08:25 pm (UTC)
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I had kind of hoped I was wrong about this one, but it does seem that at least some of it's about that.
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From:_fustian
Date:April 11th, 2013 12:52 pm (UTC)
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I entirely agree. I, too, looked forward to tramping the dirt down, and to seeing her on the guillotine, metaphorically, at least—when she was PM. Once she was out of power, she became simply another member of the society she denied. If we can't find compassion for her as a person, then we can't legitimately criticise her policies.
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From:tatjna
Date:April 11th, 2013 08:28 pm (UTC)
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Ha - I listened to that album a lot around that time too. ;-)

And I note that his take on her death includes no gloating, either.
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