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Apr. 25th, 2012

11:13 am - By way of explanation

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OK so 41 people replied to yesterday's poll. Of those, 18 were shower-ers, 16 shower more than they bathe, 2 are about 50/50, 4 did something else (primarily using a bath for a purpose other than washing themself) and only one was an exclusive bather. The implication here is that showering is the preferred washing method of the vast majority of respondents - 83%, in fact.

However, in the other question, 16 would pay more for a house with a bath, 11 said not having a bath would be a dealbreaker, 8 couldn't care less (I was one of these) and only 4 would prefer a house with no bath and a better shower. The implication here is that the majority would prefer their house to have a bath in it - 69%, in fact.

From this I can conclude that while most people prefer to shower, the idea of not having a bath available to use if one feels like it is offputting, and most people would like to have a bath in their house whether they use it or not.

Thanks!


Our bathroom is tiny and not pretty - it has no windows, and at the moment contains a shower over small-but-full-size bath, a small vanity, and a toilet. It's on the list of Things To Do Up, and since the paint on the wall is starting to peel and the whole thing was obviously done on the cheap, it'll probably end up reasonably high on the priority list.

Consequently, I've been looking at the space and going "What to do, what to do?"

Obviously, the toilet could come out - instantly more room! But it's still a tiny space, and it'd be nice to have a bigger vanity for toothbrushes and whatnot to go on. But what about the shower/bath arrangement?

Y'see, I'm a showerer. I have had maybe 2 baths in the last 5 years - I've always lived in houses with decent baths but I just don't use them. I can't be arsed with the effort it takes to get the water just right and keep it that way, and to me, a 'good long soak' is time I could spend doing something I actually find relaxing, that takes way less effort to set up.

But I loves me some luxury. Give me a shower with more than one head, and adjustable from 'needles' to 'dropping a bucket of warm water on you' and I'm in heaven.

If it were just me and I were living here forever, there'd be no question - I'd rip out the bath, put in a deep-sink vanity that could double as a laundry sink (now there's something I've missed having in my last two houses), and go nuts on the Super Shower Of Doom.

But it isn't just me, and one day we will probably sell this place - and I had an inkling that my complete indifference to bathing was not representative of the population. I wanted to know how other people felt about this, and my inkling was right - it seem that if we did Wot Tats Wants and dispensed with the bath in favour of a fantastic shower, when selling time came it'd cause a lot of people to pass it up.

*sigh*


So now that's crossed off the list, which helps a lot in deciding what to do. We have to have a bath of some description. I still want the fantastic shower, but it has to accommodate future bathers as well. So now we need a fantastic shower over a better bath than what we have, and I can kiss goodbye to my dream of having a walk-in shower big enough for two with extra heads.

Ah well.

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From:rivet
Date:April 24th, 2012 11:54 pm (UTC)
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Or you can decide that you're willing absorb a (small) potential loss for the pleasure of having what you actually want. Which I might do in your case. I suspect that the market will respond more positively to 'luxury' than it will respond negatively to 'no bath'.
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From:tatjna
Date:April 25th, 2012 12:07 am (UTC)
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The thing is, it isn't about getting less money when selling, it's about how the bath seems to be considered a deciding factor in whether or not to buy a property, whether or not people place a monetary value on it.

It's not "Doesn't have a bath, it's worth X less", it's "Doesn't have a bath, don't want it."

Which to me is illogical, but there you go.
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From:rivet
Date:April 25th, 2012 12:35 am (UTC)
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Yes, but that's assuming that your flist is representative of your market. And people with kids and dogs probably weren't going to buy your inner city apartment anyway. My experience has been that lots of inner city apartments don't have baths, so as a buyer you sort of have to accept that it goes with the territory.

As an analogy, prior to living in Wellington, an electric stove was a dealbreaker for me. All of my stoves in Wellington were electric, because it was bloody hard to find anything else. So I compromised.
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From:wildilocks
Date:April 25th, 2012 02:07 am (UTC)
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Agree. You are talking an inner city 2 bedroom apartment, which is not the same animal as a 3 bedroom suburban house. I think if you added the question "what kind of dwelling/suburb do you live in/prefer" and cross-referenced you may find there is much more support for shower-only in the inner city apartment dwellers. The bells-and-whistles luxury two-head shower room is indeed quite rare but I think could be an extra selling point for your type of dwelling, and actually increase your potential sale price, because it would make your place stand out.

And while I love a good hot spring type soak I will note that in my apartment wot I put a spa bath I didn't use it more than 1/2 dozen times, and if it had just been a regular bath, I wouldn't have seen an increased sale price. Because it was a spa bath though, it stood out, and I got a higher price when I sold it because, "oooooh special"! Also note apartment actually only had shower before I renovated it.

I think if you're tossing up between awesome shower room vs typical boring shower over bath, and your choice is being made based not on personal preference but on perceived market value, I say you should definitely rethink as imnsho and experience market value tends to be improved by unique/special, not just majority rules :)

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From:tatjna
Date:April 25th, 2012 02:40 am (UTC)
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My brother suggested the same thing, re inner city apartments. Although I should point out that this is a 3 bedroom one and in this building there is at least one family with small children.

Ideally I'd like a fold-away bath so I can have my shower room AND be able to wash large things!
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From:wildilocks
Date:April 25th, 2012 03:29 am (UTC)
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Oops, sorry! For some reason I thought your place was 2 bed. But yes, the comparison still stands though slightly less salient.

Fold away bath? Can has small or large!

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From:thesecondcircle
Date:April 25th, 2012 04:14 pm (UTC)
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So as someone with a little kid, yeah having a bath is a big deal. But if it were just the two of us... well I'd love a fancy shower and a hot tub! Because we like to soak, but not for cleaning purposes. :D
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From:rivet
Date:April 25th, 2012 02:42 am (UTC)
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Also, revealed preference differs from stated preference (as in my gas stove example above). People SAY they will do a thing, but when actually presented with a constrained choice, they frequently do otherwise.

Just to get technical and swotty about it :)

Edited at 2012-04-25 02:43 am (UTC)
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From:helianthas
Date:April 25th, 2012 08:47 am (UTC)
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Couple you do what you want with the luxury shower and then if time comes to sell put in a claw foot tub that can get filled via the shower extension?
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From:polychrome_baby
Date:April 25th, 2012 02:16 am (UTC)
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You could always contact an actual real estate agent in that area (um.. this may sound dumb, but New Zealand has real estate agents, right?) and ask them if that would affect the buying population in their experience.

As many people have noted, LJ is simply not the normal population, and further, well, even my own crowd of people that I know are not representative of the normal population. I'm guessing that this is somewhat true of you, also. Yes? So, the experience of someone who helps people buy and sell homes would probably get a much more true response than a sampling of the weirdos of the world. :D
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From:tatjna
Date:April 25th, 2012 02:41 am (UTC)
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Yeah, and the local apartment specialist real estate guy owes me one, too. ;-)
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From:downwardlashes
Date:April 25th, 2012 02:53 am (UTC)
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I dream of a shower like that too! I like sharing showers, but not if one of us is going to be stuck wishing they had more water.
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From:laoke
Date:April 25th, 2012 04:59 am (UTC)
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While I'd prefer a shower, I'd also prefer a spa pool. And I know I'm unlikely to get that in an inner-city apartment without laying out some serious coin. You've also got to take into account that given the choice between a super-duper luxury shower, or an OK shower + a bath, a lot of people are suddenly going to say 'Oh, a shower with needle jets and the rest? Screw the bath that I'm going to use maybe once or twice a week, gimme the ultrashower that I'm going to use every day!'

Or, at least, I would : )
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From:tatjna
Date:April 25th, 2012 05:01 am (UTC)
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Hehe true. I am not sure what most people picture when they imagine themselves luxuriating in a bath, but out bathroom probably isn't it, and it would be pretty hard to make it, it. Y'know? Whereas we could make the meke shower in there.

Also, an apartment sold in my building for $270000 recently, that had a spa pool - in the lounge! O.o
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From:laoke
Date:April 25th, 2012 05:05 am (UTC)
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Hell, there's hope for my dreams of inner-city living and spa-ownership yet!

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From:wildilocks
Date:April 25th, 2012 05:46 am (UTC)
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*high-fives* Spas are awesome.
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From:wildilocks
Date:April 25th, 2012 05:46 am (UTC)
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In the lounge? o_O Bizarre.
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From:tyellas
Date:April 25th, 2012 05:05 am (UTC)
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But it isn't just me, and one day we will probably sell this place - and I had an inkling that my complete indifference to bathing was not representative of the population. I wanted to know how other people felt about this, and my inkling was right - it seem that if we did Wot Tats Wants and dispensed with the bath in favour of a fantastic shower, when selling time came it'd cause a lot of people to pass it up.

Waaaaait a minute. What about, oh, almost every new apartment in Wellington, which is shower only??? The inner-city-apartment market seems to accept this, and a superb version of the same wouldn't be a problem.

It is YOUR PLACE, at the end of the day. My place has been updated in some deeply personal ways - and not updated in others! So many people have told me to renovate my bathroom, which I actually like for its tininess (it heats fast in the winter.) If you'll be there for 7 years, I'd say install the shower of your dreams.
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From:tieke
Date:April 25th, 2012 06:40 am (UTC)
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I think you should get a bath so you can get one called the stylus president body therapy spa bath
Or alternatively, the starlett
Or the shark
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From:rivet
Date:April 25th, 2012 07:57 am (UTC)
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Hey, at least those tubs acknowledge that you can't comfortably get 2 people in a tub if you put the taps at the end!
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