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I support The Oatmeal view on Valentine's Day - Tactical Ninja

Feb. 14th, 2012

10:29 am - I support The Oatmeal view on Valentine's Day

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MORE SEXY RUMPUS!

*ahem*

Last night I climbed a ladder and finally looked in the ceiling. rivet had noted that it looked like a suspended one, which made me curious what was in the gap between the ceiling and the next level up. In the downstairs bit, we have wood ceilings with concrete beams running across, and a 12 foot stud. The stud upstairs would be 10 foot without the suspended ceiling, and given how much I enjoy climbing and swinging on things, I'm interested in locating as many anchor points as possible in the house, with a view to having climbing nets/bird nests suspended in the ceiling space and possibly an anchor with a swivel similar to the one Happy and tieke have, but more for play than for training (ie smaller).


Turns out that yes, it is a suspended ceiling and there's about 2 feet of space above it before you hit the wood that probably makes up the subfloor of the apartment above. And yes, it seems there are concrete beams about 25 x 25cm running across the space. But it's hard to see because it's chocka with insulation - which would explain why it's so warm in the lounge and also why we hear nothing from the people upstairs.

So now it becomes a dilemma. On one hand, YAY ANCHOR POINTS! On the other, YAY INSULATION! These things are not mutually exclusive, but to have both will require some lateral thinking, I suspect. And I think it'd be sensible to wait through a winter to see how much we need that insulation before making any decisions on how we're going to approach it. But you know, it is kind of nice to know that we can if we want.


Yesterday was my performance review at work. No real surprises although I suspect we are being primed to be told that any payrises we get this year will be minimal. The boom is coming (probably to be followed by a bust but hey) - projections say it'll start picking up in the second half of 2012 when the Christchurch rebuild starts, but the real housing crisis is likely to be centred in Auckland. Meanwhile, the industry is still bleeding and that is likely to be reflected in my pay packet. ;-/

I find myself strangely without words today. Hmm..

Oh yeah, I was going to have a gripe about QI. It's entertaining enough but it's a fucking sausage fest and the boys' club jokes really annoy me at times, especially because they skate that line between 'fuck that's offensive' and 'can be passed off as a joke'. Jo Brand as one of the token women holds her own reasonably well but she does it by being one of the boys and taking their off jokes and running with them.

I still enjoy watching it most of the time but they could dispense with the 'women are a different species' attitude and I wouldn't be sorry.

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From:t_c_da
Date:February 13th, 2012 10:58 pm (UTC)
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I would think that, to a person of your esteemed inventiveness, it would be highly possible to both have your Anchor Points and keep your Insulation.

I suspect (sight unseen) that the insulation probably has something to do with the lack of noise from upstairs as well as the all encompassing warmth so far experienced in your abode.

I would point out that, from my observation of other buildings around these parts, the timber you observe is probably the pouring support of the concrete floor above, and so not indicative of the flooring strength or sound transmission qualities, but you already know that, so I'm teaching Grandma, aren't i?
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From:tatjna
Date:February 13th, 2012 11:09 pm (UTC)
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TBH I don't know if the floor above is concrete or not - it's boards rather than mdf or such, and our house seems to be floorboards rather than concrete - but it seems likely that there's more than just one layer between them and us because this alteration/addition was done in the 1990s and by then they had regulations covering between-floor soundproofing.

Of course the insulation may be the between-floor soundproofing..
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From:tatjna
Date:February 14th, 2012 01:10 am (UTC)
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It's not pink batts. It seems to have a similar consistency and colour to the stuff you used but based on the el cheaponess of things like the doors/fittings/whiteware in the house, I'd suggest it's the cheapest insulation you're allowed to use in apartments.

I think it's likely a polyester version of your insulation. But feel free to clamber around and have a look for yourself.

Yes, I suspect in terms of R-value it could be replaced with thinner stuff, which would still require a ceiling to cover it but may leave the beams exposed - and that's the bit I care about.
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From:tatjna
Date:February 14th, 2012 01:36 am (UTC)
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The insulation appears to be layered just above the suspended ceiling and is about 10-15cm thick. It's also wrapped and attached around the concrete beams like socks. This is based only on what I can see by sticking my head up through the porthole and using a torch.

The governing factor on thickness of required insulation is the thickness of the concrete beams, which is about 25cm. So yes, it could be replaced and remain equally warm/quiet. But I also don't want it to look funny.
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From:tatjna
Date:February 14th, 2012 03:01 am (UTC)
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Also, we will most likely cover the windows which will add up to a gain overall - and so far I've no complaints about the average temperature in the lounge from early spring through to late summer.
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From:morbid_curious
Date:February 13th, 2012 11:43 pm (UTC)
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Sexy rumpus does sound like a good plan for Valentine's Day :-)

Finding food in Wellington today is going to be Interesting, I'm sure.
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From:vernacularity
Date:February 14th, 2012 12:20 am (UTC)
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I'll also mention that without the insulation you would be taking on the job of heating the upstairs. You probably already realise this, and I do note your comment on seeing what winter does to you.

QI: yes, and also their repeated typically-British lapses into casual racism. Some of my favourite QI panelists are Ronni Ancona and Sandi Toksvig, who were notably present in the one featuring "why do you see so few women on QI"



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From:tatjna
Date:February 14th, 2012 01:23 am (UTC)
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Oh god that guy making the comments. It's really hard to respond to comments like that in an amusing way without buying into what he's actually saying, and yet it's the women who aren't considered to be funny?
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From:vernacularity
Date:February 14th, 2012 01:27 am (UTC)
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yeh he's like... every dude at the bar you don't want to talk to
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From:vernacularity
Date:February 14th, 2012 01:27 am (UTC)
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impeccable timing though....
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From:tatjna
Date:February 14th, 2012 01:29 am (UTC)
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And yet he got the loudest laugh, and the longest. Even though the things the women were saying were way funnier - their humour was ironic and dry, drawing a chuckle. His was shocking and offensive, drawing a huge laugh.

What.The.Fucking.Fuck.
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From:vernacularity
Date:February 14th, 2012 01:37 am (UTC)
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i wonder if this indicates the origins of that NZ style of "being funny" which involves basically "being hurtful and laughing at you being upset"
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From:tatjna
Date:February 14th, 2012 01:38 am (UTC)
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Or "being hurtful and laughing at you trying not to let on you're upset."

But yes, it wouldn't surprise me.
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From:tieke
Date:February 14th, 2012 09:52 pm (UTC)
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Oh hey - it just occurred to me that you might enjoy the British series "Smack the Pony". Sketch-based comedy, 4 comedians, all women, and very much taking a female perspective. To me, because it's talking about my experience, it's WAY funnier than comedy done by men.

Lots of clips on youtube.
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From:tatjna
Date:February 14th, 2012 01:11 am (UTC)
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Yes, is mah ladder. Swap yah for a studfinder. ;-)
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From:thatgirljj
Date:February 14th, 2012 05:37 pm (UTC)
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Are you considering removing the suspended ceiling entirely? Because I would propose that you could engineer a hole in the suspended ceiling (and a hole in the insulation) to mount something directly to the beam, but still keep your insulation hiding ceiling intact. But I also second the idea of replacing crappy insulation with something that has a higher Rvalue.
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From:tatjna
Date:February 14th, 2012 07:05 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, the hole was Plan B. But really, the suspended ceiling is kind of ugly and also the nets would probably require multiple anchor points so lifting it to expose the beams and applying a thinner insulation layer might end up being the simpler option.
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