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Jul. 14th, 2011

09:01 am - Joining the borg

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It seems that "Warning: Do not huff the sparkleponies" is the popular choice for the new meaning of the sign from the other day. I hear sparkleponies are about to be outlawed under the analog law anyway, due to their molecular similarity to kittens. Applying warning labels comes under self-regulation and we all know that that doesn't work when the manufacturers are all just out to make a quick buck regardless of the safety of their customers. What's that? The government should regulate? Why on earth should they do that when they can ban instead?

So I suggest that you start stockpiling sparkleponies pretty soon, and if you're entrepreneurial you could start bagging them up and selling them as Huffing Kittens and hope nobody notices. The government will pat itself on the back about how it's stamped out sparklepony use because nobody's seeking them out any more, and kitten huffing will become more dangerous, but who cares about that?

That above? That's called stretching an analogy way too far for my own amusement.


So I got a Google+ thingy.

I got around their requirement to use a 'real name' by palindromising my username (thanks beagl and bekitty for that idea). This whole 'real name' thing strikes me as strange. It started with Facebook - when that started up the signup form asked for your first name and last name and people just seemed to go "Oh ok" and use them. I didn't - I was Tatjna Tatjna on there, because I'm not about to reveal my identity on some social networking site just because they say I should, and I was surprised that other people did - and then complained about being contacted by exes, old primary school bullies, stalkers and bosses.

I know it's pretty easy to connect my internet persona with my real identity for anyone who's a bit savvy and actually cares, but I didn't get friended by random 4th cousins on Facebook and I don't want that on Google+ either. So I tried my normal username. No dice, I have to have two names. OK, I'll be Tatjna Tatjna again. Nope - apparently it isn't possible to have a first and last name that are the same. How about Tatjna . ? Not that either, although some others seem to have gotten away with this. Here's some more about real names on G+. And pretty much all my friends have used their real names. I am tatjna anjtat on there, because fuckem.

My first impression is that it's just like Facebook - it even looks sort of the same and has more or less the same features. One of the reasons I deactivated my Facebook was the very low signal to noise ratio, therefore I do quite like the circles thing because if I want I can filter out the noise. Also, at this stage of early adoption it seems to have a reasonably high quality of posting going on, because a lot of the people I've found on there actually say things of substance. Although there's also a lot of G+-related wowing, which doesn't interest me all that much.

I was disappointed that they wouldn't let the Youth of Today join. I understand that where it originates the age of consent is 18, but it strikes me as bloody odd that my offspring is legally permitted to bonk whoever he wants but he isn't allowed to risk seeing pictures of boobies or discussion of fucking on G+. My parenting style is very much along the lines of 'you need to learn judgement and discernment so here's some rough guidelines and if you click a link and get goatse or a pic of my boobs, you get what you deserve." And it frustrates me that Google wants to play nanny by preventing him from joining at all.

Following from that, I heard (dunno if this is true) that G+ selectively orders the posts on your page according to what it thinks you'll find most interesting. I looked at my own early posts and they definitely no longer appear in chronological order. This bothers me in my Contrary Apeth place in that it should be me deciding what I'll find interesting, not some application. And if I want the application, I'll ask for it. Therefore I think this feature should be optional.

My profile is facetious. This is a social network to me. If I ever feel the need to take it more seriously, I'll change it but right now I'm on there merely because a lot of my friends are and to see if it's something I'll enjoy using. I'm ambivalent right now - it's more interesting than Facebook, but similar enough to it that I'm a bit put off by that, and I'm not a big fan of self-updating pages because since I don't use it at work I have no idea how far I'll have to backscroll at the end of the day to see what I've missed.

I'm not a geek. I'm not someone who needs a thing because it's new and shiny. I'm not big into researching why this is the Best Thing Ever and finding out it's because it uses some code that's beloved of all the geek hoi-polloi or because it's made by some iconic social network person. I have no real desire to consolidate my internet use onto one platform and there are no gaping holes where my internet needs will be filled by this. I'm not anti-Facebook (in fact I'm a little put off by the gloating of G+ adopters even though I'm not a FB user anymore myself).

What I am is an everyday person with a fairly functional brain, a consistent user of the internet, an experienced blogger, and someone who is interested in communicating with a variety of people in a way that suits me. For what it's worth, this post is my impression of Google+ so far. I did appreciate the feedback on there about my essay topic so that's on the plus side, but I am reserving judgement.


Don't know/don't care? I'd be interested in hearing your opinions about this. I would have preferred to post it with no context, but unfortunately I can't figure out how to embed it. I'm interested in what you take from it compared with what it says is happening. It's a conversation between a man and a woman.

Still don't know/don't care? Remember folks, from now on your kittens could contain traces of these:



(I hear the green ones will really fuck you up)

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From:vernacularity
Date:July 13th, 2011 09:11 pm (UTC)
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I think the 18 thing might possibly be in relation to being an adult for the purposes of entering into legal contracts rather than for sexy-times. That's a thought I had last night on it, anyway. In NZ I think this age may also be 16 I have no idea about other countries but I would not be surprised to find in the US that it be 18.
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From:tatjna
Date:July 13th, 2011 09:13 pm (UTC)
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In New Zealand the age of sexual consent is 16 (and getting married with parental consent), joining the army is 17, and voting/getting a credit card/entering a contract/pretty much everything else is 18.

So I think you're right, but that doesn't seem to have prevented him from joining plenty of other social networks so I'm wondering what makes Google see the need to do this - especially since he's had a gmail since he was 13.
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From:vernacularity
Date:July 13th, 2011 09:14 pm (UTC)
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HOLY SHIT! According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_majority in NZ it's... 20?? what?

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From:bekitty
Date:July 14th, 2011 05:07 am (UTC)
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That's the age of majority, rather than the age of consent. At 20, you're supposed to have all the rights and privileges of an adult.

Of course, this isn't strictly true for all things. For student allowance, for example, you're considered to be under your parents' control until you're 25. Which is just fucked up.

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From:vernacularity
Date:July 14th, 2011 05:18 am (UTC)
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that's what I was saying, age of consent was only relevant if we were talking about sex, and I was not.
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From:wildilocks
Date:July 14th, 2011 09:59 pm (UTC)
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There is also the possibility that they'll lower the age once they are out of Field Trial and open to the public. I know FB wasn't open to anyone younger than college age when it first started.
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From:dianavilliers
Date:July 13th, 2011 10:14 pm (UTC)
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Man: "I'm finding myself enjoying you."
What the woman should have said: "I'm sure that's nice for you. So what enjoyment can you offer me?"

I wonder how the interview would be different if she were also wearing a pair of jeans, dark button down shirt and flat shoes instead of a dress which obliges her to hold her body in an uncomfortable position to avoid showing her attacker interviewer her genetalia underwear.
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From:tatjna
Date:July 13th, 2011 10:18 pm (UTC)
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I find that "I'm enjoying you" thing really.. um.

"It's nice to know you think I'm here for your amusement."

Also he doesn't blink
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From:dianavilliers
Date:July 13th, 2011 10:24 pm (UTC)
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If by "um", you mean self centred and serial-killer creepy... yeah.

I'd noticed the staring thing. And the long pauses.
I sometimes count myself fortunate that I'm not conventionally attractive enough to draw much of this type of attention.

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From:tatjna
Date:July 13th, 2011 10:30 pm (UTC)
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Yeah. I enjoy chocolate. I enjoy sunrises. I enjoy dance parties. With people, I enjoy their company, or witty banter with them, or *censored*. My enjoyment is based on the humanity of their actions.

Saying "I'm enjoying you" is making you into a piece of non-human 'art' for my enjoyment and the wording raises my hackles. Also, creepy as and pretentious.

I am glad I have never met anyone who tried to use a technique on me.
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From:pythia
Date:July 13th, 2011 10:28 pm (UTC)
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That video WTF. He gave me the heebie jeebies by about 3 seconds in. *shudder*

I think I still have my Stardancer somewhere.
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From:tatjna
Date:July 13th, 2011 10:34 pm (UTC)
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Seriously, the sparkleponies have the trippiest names!
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From:pythia
Date:July 13th, 2011 10:34 pm (UTC)
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Now I want to play with My Little Ponies while trippin' balls. Ohh, yeah.
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From:tatjna
Date:July 13th, 2011 10:35 pm (UTC)
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BUT THEIR EYES
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From:pythia
Date:July 15th, 2011 12:27 pm (UTC)
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Totally.
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From:ferrouswheel
Date:July 14th, 2011 12:25 am (UTC)
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There's a lot of criticism about G+, but it's a pretty polished system and makes sharing photos from a smartphone trivial which I can see being very useful. They also seem to be working through the legal agreements in different countries... which I can imagine takes some time.

I wasn't aware of the post reordering being on what you prefer, I always thought it was based on what items have had the latest activity. I've found that posts that we're just commented on turn up at the top... which is nice to keep track of the active discussions. I also like how well G+ aggregates notifications and the notifier widget in Gmail. Keeps the notification emails away (after disabling them, since they seem redundant).

I'm not concerned about stalkers on Facebook, because they have to have a profile to actually see anything. The real name thing makes it easier to block them!

Video is creepy, especially the start where he licks his lips... but both of them are kind of weird looking. I've also noticed that PUA people all use the same voice to indicate common male behaviour. Drucker doesn't seem "authentic" at all.
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From:tatjna
Date:July 14th, 2011 02:53 am (UTC)
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I can see myself ending up using G+ whether I like it or not, just because it'll end up being the only place I can have a conversation with my friends.

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From:tatjna
Date:July 14th, 2011 02:51 am (UTC)
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I will probably get a smart phone when this one breaks and if there's no other kind you can get. I simply don't need one and don't want one enough to sign myself up for all the hassles I hear people complain about with their phones. So that aspect is zero use to me.

It also strikes me how the guy acts/speaks a certain way when talking to her, and comes across as a lot more natural and way less creepy when talking to the other guy. This seems a fairly common trait among men who believe that women are somehow a different species and can only 'act natural' around other men. I would like him more when talking to his mate, except for what he's saying which is still creepy as.
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From:ferrouswheel
Date:July 14th, 2011 03:13 am (UTC)
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I suspect you'll be able to get basic phones for a long time yet. I use mine so infrequently as an actual phone though that I rarely think of it as one. Now it's more my portable internet, camera, map/GPS, calender, note taker, music player, flash card reader etc. And I'm glad I don't have separate devices to worry about, and I also complain a lot less now that I don't have an iPhone ;-)

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From:vernacularity
Date:July 14th, 2011 04:03 am (UTC)
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my looking at it indicated that in order to upload from a phone you need to install an app. is that right? FB has an upload email address, which is WAY more useful to me, being device independant (can even send to it from just another email addres slike at work, when you don;t want to actually log in to FB at the time but do want to upload a photo to the "mobile uploads" album. I do not have the sort of phone for which an app is available, afaik.
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From:wildilocks
Date:July 14th, 2011 10:17 pm (UTC)
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Just to clarify my understanding of the current situation: it's only your main Stream which apparently is auto-curated: I am assuming this is based partly on users who's posts you've commented on in the past, and it always brings to the top posts with new comments which you have commented on.

This does not happen when you view individual circles. You will see all posts, afaik in order, of people in that circle.

Also just an fyi, Diaspora* does both these things better/with more control. You can choose multiple circles(aspects on D*) to view in your main panel at the same time, and you can choose to view either items with most recent comments on top, or all in order of posting.

Unfortunately neither G+ nor D* have the ability to post to or view "all but one circle" easily. This would be useful, especially if you have a circle for "annoying people who post too much crap I'm not interested in" or "people I added out of social obligation but really don't want reading anything I write"

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From:clashfan
Date:July 14th, 2011 01:42 am (UTC)
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I am about a minute in, and am pretty thoroughly creeped out. Dude's icky. He's very clearly playing a game, as opposed to genuinely getting to know her a little and see if he's interested. He also came across as a condescending ass. The guy he's debriefing with is possibly even creepier.
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From:pombagira
Date:July 14th, 2011 08:17 am (UTC)
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yeah the body language of both the icky dude and the debriefing dude, is weird.. like they were really into oneanother, or really really wanted to be.. O.o...

sometimes people are very weird and creepy..

*pokes at them with sticks*
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From:t_c_da
Date:July 17th, 2011 07:19 am (UTC)
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I'm on FaceBorg (I *LOVE* that term!!) because that' where just about all my whanau are and I can use FaceBorg to keep up (and even join in) with their doings. I'll stay on LJ rather than move to yet another social network until the folk I really follow wander off, and then I'll reconsider...
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From:tar_miriel
Date:July 17th, 2011 03:39 pm (UTC)

Hey, ltns

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I think I'm sold and I think mostly because FB is so awful (IMO) and the world is so moving in the direction of social nets being how people keep in touch.

I think the evolution of the 'big' sites has been Myspace arrived and was clearly aimed at teenagers. FB started aimed at a slightly older demographic and afaik saw early growth among younger teens but has seen it's main growth and income in the more lucrative 20-50 demographics. As I understand it Myspace pretty much devolved into a hookup network.

In addition to being glad that G+ is doing the expected better job of respecting client privacy, I'm quite please that it lacks any place to put 'relationship status' in user profiles. This bodes well to me in terms of moving away from hookup orientation. Second I am extraordinarily please that the G+ 'gender' definition has a selection for 'other'.

Other is a very big thing for me :-).

Lastly, I hope and expect that google will open the service to AG 13+ as they move from the current beta status to production release. I can't imagine from a business perspective that they want to ignore that group but I can also see where their development teams have got a shitstorm of work on their plates right now and that addressing 13+ makes more strategic sense once they have the rest of us hooked :-).

Oh and lastly, again as expected the technical cleanliness of G+ blows me away. FB can't manage to keep their AJAX working in sync with the user's 'back' button. Google is really shining in cleaner presentation of info.
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From:tatjna
Date:July 17th, 2011 06:46 pm (UTC)

Re: Hey, ltns

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There is a place for relationship status in the profile page. I just didn't fill mine out because anyone who knows me already knows that and it's none of anyone else's business.

I don't care about Facebook but I'm sad that LJ is losing so many people, especially since a lot of the features people say are so good about G+ are ones LJ has been doing well for years. LJ also has some features G+ could stand to copy, like threaded comments and multiple user icons. I hate that if I change my icon on G+ it changes on everything I do related to Google and I don't have a selection.

I'm really struggling with the idea of moving my blog over there - Frankly, I don't want to and I resent feeling as if I have to if I want to keep in touch with the people I've had relationships with here. And because I have quite a community here, in order to touch both I'd have to crosspost - considering how much I hate it when other folks do that I don't really want to do that either. It's frustrating.
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From:tar_miriel
Date:July 17th, 2011 07:12 pm (UTC)

Re: Hey, ltns

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Ahh -- there wasn't a relationship box (visible to me) 3 days ago :-).

Re FB, yeah I think I care because I live in a nation whose constitution has no explicit protection for individual privacy. I don't like imposing 'political axe to grind' into the rest of my life but it's necessary in this case.

And yeah 'zactly how I felt about FB when nearly all my local community started communicating via it. It's not inconceivable that you could gateway all your LJ content to G+ but I doubt it would be worth the work. However it's entirely possible that LJ could use G+'s API to establish presence on G+ and it could be a revenue stream for LJ. That's the 'correct' way to cross post anyhow.

When I used FB I did so differently from how I used LJ. I don't think either FB or G+ are great blog sites.

Anyhow, horns of a dilemma I agree and hope for a good solution!
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