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Oct. 8th, 2010

11:39 am - WTFing fuck?

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The Indian government has lodged a complaint over Paul Henry's remarks about Sheila Dikshit.

Our Foreign Minister's response:

"McCully said he will make it clear to the Indian government that TVNZ operates independently from the New Zealand government and any action against Henry is a matter for the company or the Broadcasting Standards Authority."

He also wanked about freedom of speech.

I AM DISAPPOINT

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From:anna_en_route
Date:October 7th, 2010 10:56 pm (UTC)
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All of a sudden they're willing to acknowledge that it was actually a racist comment?

no more wishy washy "not appropriate"?
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From:tatjna
Date:October 7th, 2010 10:57 pm (UTC)
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Maybe if they try really hard, they might work themselves up to public disapproval of racism!
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From:t_c_da
Date:October 8th, 2010 12:01 am (UTC)
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From the comments on Morning Report this morning, it would seem that the Indian media haven't yet discovered Mr Henry's remarks about our Fijian-Indian Governor General...

I wonder what will happen when they do?
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From:megapope
Date:October 8th, 2010 02:28 am (UTC)
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Freedom of speech is so often used to mean 'we can be massively offensive to people who have the wrong skin colour/accent/genitals/pay grade and you have to like it'
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From:megapope
Date:October 8th, 2010 02:29 am (UTC)
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...which I guess is what it DOES mean, but still. Not sure what I'm trying to say here. HURRAH FEVER.
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From:tatjna
Date:October 8th, 2010 02:48 am (UTC)
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I am out of my depth with this.

On one hand, I think people should be able to say what they think. On the other, some people should just STFU. I guess I'm glad I have the right to say that I think Paul Henry's a cock and should STFU?
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From:megapope
Date:October 8th, 2010 02:52 am (UTC)
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Yeah I know right? Freedom of speech lets us say that he should shut the hell up, so I guess that's something.

I think, if I can marshal my thoughts here, that what it comes down to though is that TVNZ is state owned, and the government throwing up their hands and going 'FREEDOM OF SPEECH YOU GUYS WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS' is a total cop out of responsibility. Freedom of speech is great for those who have no power and need to speak out, and I think that's the difference. It shouldn't cover people funded by the government saying shitty things about minority groups.
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From:tatjna
Date:October 8th, 2010 02:57 am (UTC)
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Which is pretty much what I said to McCully in my email to him earlier.

Don Quixote, pink-haired female version, at your service. ;-)
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From:megapope
Date:October 8th, 2010 02:58 am (UTC)
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Awesome. :D

You ever get replies to these emails?
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From:tatjna
Date:October 8th, 2010 03:01 am (UTC)
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Sometimes. These ones, I doubt it because they are expressing a personal opinion. Other times I've emailed MPs about policy stuff or about issues within their jurisdiction, and they're normally better at answering those.
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From:(Anonymous)
Date:October 8th, 2010 08:28 am (UTC)
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State owned, but as McCully says, not state controlled. The government has no control over what appears on TVNZ (as it should be, I'm sure we all agree)

McCully's argument is that since the government has no control, it also has no responsibility, or at least no more responsibility than it does for anything else that happens in NZ.

This may seem like a fine point but the government has been known to receive angry representations from foreign governments about stories appearing in the NZ media critical of their policies. I expect we can agree that McCully's response would be appropriate there.

Perhaps a halfway house would be for McCully to say that the government has no control and thus won't apologise but he wants to reassure the government of India (and perhaps also the New Delhi State government) that Henry's statements don't reflect the views of the NZ government.
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From:megapope
Date:October 8th, 2010 11:24 pm (UTC)
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I think I'd like to see more of an apology either to non white New Zealanders or at the very least more of a public disavowal. To my perceptive it's more important to send out a message to the rest of the country that this kind of behaviour is not only not endorsed by our government but not even slightly tolerated. Too many rednecks are jumping on the 'it's what we all think!' bandwagon and I'd like to see the government set more of an example and to also let NZers of non European or Maori ancestry know that they're also supported.

/naive idealism.
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From:anna_en_route
Date:October 8th, 2010 03:52 am (UTC)
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He can say whatever he wants it's just that he is not guaranteed a prime tv spot to say it.

If he started slagging off the sponsors of his show on the air it would be exactly the same deal(although my gut feeling that TVNZ would act on *that* straight away makes me grumpy).

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From:phaetonschariot
Date:October 8th, 2010 03:17 am (UTC)
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But he said it is always regrettable when a prominent individual abuses the freedom of expression to cause offence to others.

"That is especially the case when the person offended against is a prominent public figure in another country," McCully said.


idk, personally I think it's especially case when the person offended against has no recourse or social power whatsoever.
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From:tatjna
Date:October 8th, 2010 06:43 am (UTC)
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Yeah, and like megapope said, that's when the same freedom of speech argument that the Foreign Minister used is actually a good thing - when it gives a voice to those people.

Double-edged sword anyone?
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From:morbid_curious
Date:October 9th, 2010 08:55 am (UTC)
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Harking back to the earlier conversation on USian privilege, thought you might appreciate this:
http://zeborahnz.livejournal.com/74991.html
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