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Whenever there's an election in the US, the rest of us get bombarded… - Tactical Ninja

Mar. 23rd, 2016

09:15 am

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Whenever there's an election in the US, the rest of us get bombarded with commentary about it. This doesn't happen the other way around. John Oliver is about the only person who notices when anything non-Hobbit-related happens in New Zealand, and it matters not a whit who our leader is because we don't have a significant impact on the conditions for the rest of the world.

Sadly, it's not like that the other way around. What happens in US elections does affect the rest of us, and even if we didn't care, the internet is so US-centric that we get all the commentary anyway.

The commentary I am reading is not making me confident that we'll be ok after y'all vote later this year.

I know there are probably not a lot of Trump supporters on my flist, but if you are considering voting for him, please consider that when someone talks about bombing the shit out of other countries, there are people in those other countries who will die if they follow through. I know NZ isn't likely to be on any list of Countries To Bomb, but the flow-on effects of the US's record of bombing the shit out of other countries hit here. My city has a whole suburb made up of people who've turned up here because their country was being bombed by the US.

Trump isn't the only one advocating continuing to bomb other countries, he's just the loudest.

I read a bunch of commentary this morning from people who are anti-Trump, which was essentially flinging insults at his supporters, calling them everything from neckbeards to 'whores and morons'. Now, I really really don't want that guy to be the leader of a country that has the power to affect my life, but the people supporting the alternatives who are making these comments seem no better. And if it's people like that who turn out to vote in a democracy* then it's people like that who'll be leading the US, regardless of what colour they wear.

It is entirely unsurprising to me that Justin Trudeau is so popular with people outside of the US and Canada. By comparison to pretty much every other politician we see news about**, he's a fricking saint. And really, all he's doing is meeting what I'd consider to be the minimum standards for a decent human being.

Surely being a decent human being should be the minimum standard for being allowed to stand for election?

* Yes I know there are plenty of folks who'll happily tell me the US isn't really a democracy any more. We can have that discussion another day ok? I'm venting.

** Bernie Sanders also appears to be pretty decent, but a lot of the really gross commentary I've seen about Trump supporters has come from his supporters - which doesn't bode well.

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From:nick_101
Date:March 22nd, 2016 08:44 pm (UTC)
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Yep, this year is not just any election. This is an election that determines whether Americans should avoid catastrophe and unrest or we might continue to head towards that downward spiral we're already heading for. Too bad both sides are acting like children.

As for comments on the Trump/anti-Trump crowd, I try my best to stay away from trollish replies. I'm not going to any rally/protests after all.

This world scares me these days. Too much violence and stuff. The possibility of a President Trump could make things even worse than it already is.
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From:tatjna
Date:March 22nd, 2016 08:47 pm (UTC)
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From over here it kinda looks like the US is heading for a civil war. I really feel for all the nice people I know who live there.
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From:thewronghands
Date:March 22nd, 2016 10:49 pm (UTC)
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I feel like that's been increasingly the snowballing case since September 11th 2001. Culturally, we gave in to fear. It doesn't become us. So we've had our arc through authoritarian nationalism, and now we're debating whether chuck-the-system fascism is a good idea. I was appalled back at "authoritarian nationalism", but my opinion is not the majority one and I have basically failed to persuade most of the people who feel that way that I am correct rather than hopelessly naive. Arrgh.
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From:tatjna
Date:March 22nd, 2016 10:54 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, I've been watching it over here with increasing concern - at least in part because all that increased security has impacted on the civil freedoms of my own country due to trade agreements (TPP I'm looking at you!), and the insanity that is travelling anywhere by air these days.

But you guys are right in the middle of it and history tells us that fascism never ends well. It's my belief that the naive ones are those that think it'll be different this time because USA.
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From:m_danson
Date:March 22nd, 2016 11:53 pm (UTC)

Justin

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We were surprised. Pleased, but surprised.
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From:tatjna
Date:March 23rd, 2016 12:40 am (UTC)

Re: Justin

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We would like to trade our PM for him.
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From:m_danson
Date:March 23rd, 2016 12:44 am (UTC)

Re: Justin

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Would you settle for a clone? I think cloning our PM may be good for the economy, or at least international trade.
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From:tatjna
Date:March 23rd, 2016 12:44 am (UTC)

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I think many countries would be happy with a clone.
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From:m_danson
Date:March 23rd, 2016 12:53 am (UTC)

Re: Justin

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I'll be rich! Er, we... yeah... we... Canada... er...
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From:fbhjr
Date:March 23rd, 2016 12:09 am (UTC)
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I am sorry you have to put up with our politics.
I wish we could be more quite about it.
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From:tatjna
Date:March 23rd, 2016 12:40 am (UTC)
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I kind of feel like forewarned is forearmed though, right? In which case it's good to know what's happening there.
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From:richaarde
Date:March 23rd, 2016 01:18 am (UTC)
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Trump is absolutely disgusting. On behalf of all decent Anericans, I would like to apologize for the rest of the world having to hear that jerk's opinions.

Most of the rest of the candidates are pretty awful, too, but there's a special place in hell for Trump and his fans.
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From:c_maxx
Date:March 23rd, 2016 07:30 am (UTC)
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Some years we need the vote "none of the above" option.

The last time George W ran, I would have voted for a crooked zombie Richard Nixon if he could have beat Bush, and I HATED Nixon!

But he wasn't the awfulest president we've every had...
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From:clevermanka
Date:March 23rd, 2016 02:02 pm (UTC)
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Yeah. Sorry about that. I know it doesn't really help to apologize for the actions of my (ugh) fellow citizens, but...it sucks. I know. It's horrible.
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From:villagecharm
Date:March 23rd, 2016 03:51 pm (UTC)
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Unfortunately, Sanders is the only candidate in the race who doesn't want to go to war with half a dozen countries, and he has no realistic chance of winning at this point. Trump is actually less of a saber-rattler than the other two Republicans in the race, which is frightening.

Clinton will probably win, though, which means more of the same.
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From:meathiel
Date:March 25th, 2016 10:02 am (UTC)
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Surely being a decent human being should be the minimum standard for being allowed to stand for election?

That would be nice, wouldn't it? Unfortunately it's different in real life ... *sigh*
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From:kehleyr
Date:April 1st, 2016 04:13 pm (UTC)
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The commentary I am reading is not making me confident that we'll be ok after y'all vote later this year. Yeah my feeling exactly :-/
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