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If you are female, you are feminine. End of story - Tactical Ninja

Mar. 22nd, 2016

09:35 am - If you are female, you are feminine. End of story

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On changing beauty standards and feminine muscularity. Also on how despite our best intentions, skinny female athletes generally get paid more than muscular ones.


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Although I'm a bit weirded out by the hyperextension of her knee joints in this pic.

Anyway, yeah. I'm not Serena Williams level of muscular, but I build muscle fairly easily and have overdeveloped triceps from years of dagging sheep. I've always had muscular shoulders and I like them, I consider them to be my best feature. I can honestly say nobody's ever accused me of being unfeminine because of my shoulders, and I completely fail to understand why anyone would want to be anything but as athletic as they can be.

I have heard of women who won't use heavy weights at the gym because they are afraid of getting too muscly. That's mostly a myth - you have to have some pretty special genetics or use steroids to get heavily muscled as a woman. Most women will just develop shape to their muscles rather than size - they'll look strong but not like The Hulk. And I spend a lot of time with women who routinely push, pull, and lift their own bodyweight. That photo I posted yesterday is of two women who spend 3-4 hours a day doing this.

I dare anyone to tell them they aren't feminine.

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From:sight
Date:March 21st, 2016 08:40 pm (UTC)
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Before I was pregnant, I lifted heavy and loved it! I didn't get bulky at all and though I ate so much food in the form of protein and was 130lbs, my waist inches got smaller. It was amazing! I can't wait to get back at it after I give birth and recover, I miss it a lot.
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From:tatjna
Date:March 21st, 2016 08:43 pm (UTC)
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I like that heavy training means lots of protein. I loves me some meat!
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From:topum
Date:March 21st, 2016 09:30 pm (UTC)
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I can't look at her her knee joints ).
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From:tatjna
Date:March 21st, 2016 10:26 pm (UTC)
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They are a bit terrifying.
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From:spiral_meter
Date:March 21st, 2016 10:21 pm (UTC)
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that chick could totally kiss my ass.

some muscle on females is good. i think Jillian Michaels has found a good balance.

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From:tatjna
Date:March 21st, 2016 10:26 pm (UTC)
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It looks like a good balance, for her. But really, how much muscle is good on a woman is up to that individual woman to decide, and the rest of us should look to our own balance and not think we have a right to judge others.

Just as an aside, using 'female' as a noun is gramatically incorrect and also dehumanising. We are women, not 'females'.
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From:morbid_curious
Date:March 22nd, 2016 02:33 am (UTC)
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When people say things like "In general, females blurdyblurdyblur..." I like to think of ants, aphids, lionesses, angler fish and various other varieties of female doing those things.

Either that, or I just imagine the speaker is an alien, doing a poor impersonation of a hoo-man and panicking about being found out.
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From:tatjna
Date:March 22nd, 2016 02:34 am (UTC)
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I mostly think of David Attenborough and MRAs.
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From:decemberthirty
Date:March 21st, 2016 11:45 pm (UTC)
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My sisters and I were all competitive swimmers when we were in school, and I have such clear memories of my grandmother telling us we had to be careful, that she had swum a lot when she was young and it had caused her arms to develop muscles that she was never able to get rid of! Even at the time, I can recall wondering why one would want to get rid of one's muscles...

On another note, my knees hyperextend a lot, and I didn't even notice the hyperextension in the picture until I scrolled down to the sentence where you mentioned it. That's just what legs look like in my world!
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From:tatjna
Date:March 22nd, 2016 12:17 am (UTC)
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Mine hyperextend too, but I don't normally get that view of them!
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From:tatjna
Date:March 22nd, 2016 12:18 am (UTC)
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Also, I think maybe in Ye Olden Tymes, being muscular as a woman was a sign of being a labourer and thus the views of femininity were tied into class as well.
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From:decemberthirty
Date:March 22nd, 2016 12:24 am (UTC)
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Oh, that's very interesting. I had previously thought about these conversations with my grandmother only in terms of femininity and beauty standards, but the connection to class makes SO MUCH sense. Especially with regard to my grandmother, who came from an Irish-American family that struggled financially while always trying to maintain the appearance that they were more well-off than they actually were. So I wouldn't be surprised at all if her desire to get rid of her muscles was tied in with all that.
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From:topum
Date:March 22nd, 2016 12:22 am (UTC)
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But if you are feminine are you necessarily female?
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From:tatjna
Date:March 22nd, 2016 12:28 am (UTC)
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Seems unlikely.
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From:topum
Date:March 22nd, 2016 12:34 am (UTC)
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If no then "if you are male, you are masculine' cannot work either, right?
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From:tatjna
Date:March 22nd, 2016 12:42 am (UTC)
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OK, if we really need to do this, how about "If you identify as X, then you are x-ine."

Meanwhile, yes I know that the gender binary is a construct. I also know that it's possible to identify as female and display masculine traits and vice versa.

But this isn't about any of those things, it's about the stereotyping of certain traits as 'masculine' or 'feminine' and the way they can impact us negatively.

But you knew that, right?
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From:topum
Date:March 22nd, 2016 12:45 am (UTC)
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Oh thanks. No, I did not. If I did I wouldn't have asked.
That makes more sense, I guess the same "thing" can be masculine "on a male" and feminine "on a female".

Edited at 2016-03-22 12:53 am (UTC)
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From:randomdreams
Date:March 22nd, 2016 01:31 am (UTC)
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I have a G+ friend who is into weightlifting, and routinely posts amazing pics of her and some of her friends. Zowie.
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From:thewronghands
Date:March 22nd, 2016 03:47 am (UTC)
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Misty Copeland is amazing! Have you read her biography? A friend of mine and I read it out loud to each other and it's awful how many folks tried hard to make her feel bad about her body. She's an astonishing dancer, though, and I love her community outreach and sense of "you can do it!" to young ballerinas who don't fit the traditional mold either.

My max deadlift is 1.3 times my bodyweight at the moment, and I don't look like people expect that to look like either. No one thinks I'm the Hulk, heh.
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From:tatjna
Date:March 22nd, 2016 03:50 am (UTC)
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That's an impressive deadlift! I've no idea how much I can deadlift, except in a shoulder mount!

I want to be Misty Copeland when I grow up. :)
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From:jaelle_n_gilla
Date:March 23rd, 2016 09:49 am (UTC)
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I think part of the appearance of the over-bent knees comes from the fact that the calf muscle is so thick and well defined that it looks a bit like an extra knee-cap at the back. Freaked me out a bit too.

But other than that: Wow! A lot of work went into that body. Not that I would ever want to look that way, but still - dedication, man.
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