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Aug. 27th, 2015

08:44 am - Sparked by a discussion about cheese

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In which it was posited that cheese is not vegetarian, because of the rennet used in its making. Also, it's not a vegetable.

So it occurs to me, that if the definition of veganism is not eating or using animal products, then pleather is not really vegan. Given that pleather is plastic and plastic is made from oil, which is made from, you know, ancient dead plants and animals.

So if one were to take a reductionist approach to the question How Vegan Is Pleather, the only difference between leather and pleather is the amount of time the animals have been dead, and a bunch of processing.

Pleather is cheaper and easier to sew, leather wears better. Luckily I'm not vegan so I get to choose the material that works best for me. ;-)

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From:fflo
Date:August 26th, 2015 09:44 pm (UTC)
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I like how you follow the ideas here to their more fundamental roots.

If you go far enough, it's all molecules. Recycly molecules.
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From:tatjna
Date:August 26th, 2015 09:45 pm (UTC)
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I love that idea!
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From:fflo
Date:August 26th, 2015 09:59 pm (UTC)
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:)
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From:richaarde
Date:August 26th, 2015 10:08 pm (UTC)
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Technicality: rennet can come from vegetable sources. So cheese can be vegetarian (but not vegan) if it is made with vegetable rennet.
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From:tatjna
Date:August 26th, 2015 10:11 pm (UTC)
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This is true.
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From:fbhjr
Date:August 26th, 2015 11:03 pm (UTC)
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Makes sense to me.
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From:dynamicgirl
Date:August 27th, 2015 12:11 am (UTC)
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I'm vegetarian, not vegan, but I don't think vegans care about vegetables/ dead plants :)
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From:randomdreams
Date:August 27th, 2015 03:58 am (UTC)
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At least one of the anti-leather motivations is that humans are killing animals for their skin. If it's already dead and you're reusing the material, that addresses the moral issue raised by that particular subsect.
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From:tatjna
Date:August 27th, 2015 04:04 am (UTC)
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Mostly animals are killed for their meat, with the leather being a very useful byproduct.

One could make a distinction between this and purely decorative leathers, like say crocodile (althogh I'm sure some folks eat them too) or fur. I think there's a stronger moral argument against those, at least from the perspective you're talking about.

Edited at 2015-08-27 04:05 am (UTC)
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From:randomdreams
Date:August 27th, 2015 04:29 am (UTC)
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Alligator and crocodile are somewhat popular as food around here. I can't say I'm a fan.
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From:richdrich
Date:August 28th, 2015 01:10 am (UTC)
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I think the "moral" objections are to the hunting or husbandry of animals.

Dead zooplankton were never hunted or husbanded (?wrd) and so can be eaten or utilised. Same with roadkill (providing one doesn't cheat and recklessly or deliberately squash wild creatures).

(I am not vegetanything)
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From:tatjna
Date:August 28th, 2015 01:12 am (UTC)
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Random aside - I once turned up at a barbeque with a pheasant that I'd hit on the road. It flew in front of me and my car took its head off. It was delicious.

I do wonder, though, if I turned up to a vegan do with such a thing, what the reaction would be.
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