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Yesterday I bought CLOTHS - Tactical Ninja

Feb. 10th, 2015

09:42 am - Yesterday I bought CLOTHS

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(Fandangle would be proud)

It's that time of year again. The season's changing, it's dark in the morning when I get up again, Kiwiburn's over for another year, and I'm restless. As usual, I'm also struggling with the 'could be 25 degrees, could be 14' nature of Wellington's late summer. And totally over my work wardrobe. So off I went to spend some money on Stuff To Wear To Work.

These days I try to shop ethically. I'm painfully aware of the privilege in being able to do this, but my view is if you have privilege you may as well try to use it for something good - so yeah I did just pay about four times as much for a couple of dresses and work cardies than I could have had I gone to the Warehouse (USians, think Walmart or Target). But for that I get to know that my clothes are made out of ethically sourced materials and made by people who get paid a living wage. Also, they fit better. And they'll last a lot longer.

Anyway, the last time I bought this type of clothing was about 5 years ago. In that time I've gone from a size 12 to a size 8, even though I'm the same size and shape that I've been for pretty much the last 10 years. When I was in the US in 2005 I was a size 6 (at least in the 1 pair of jeans that I bought there). Someone else I know from there has gone from a size 4 to a size 0 in the same time.

I conclude from this that there is a move to standardise women's clothing sizes - naturally towards the US sizing which is seen as default in much of the western world. Same thing's happening with shoes. I used to know what size I was - UK 4.5-5. But UK 5 is US 7.5 and Australian 6 and now NZ is going with Australian sizes and I have no clue whatsoever about European sizing..

What I do know is that if the current trend in vanity sizing continues we will all be in the negatives in a few years' time. And no doubt someone will use this to shame someone, because people can be pretty awful like that.

Meanwhile, I have two new dresses, a skirt, a tank top with a nice back, and some work cardies, all size fucking 8. Nyah.

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From:kehleyr
Date:February 9th, 2015 09:02 pm (UTC)
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PICTURES OF YOUR NEW CLOTHES!! :-D... if you feel like sharing of course :-D.
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From:tatjna
Date:February 9th, 2015 09:06 pm (UTC)
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They are just work clothes and not very exciting. Although the dress I'm wearing today has a nice back that I shouldn't really show at work cos it's um.. too flattering? Bare shoulders are always a bit suss in an office IMO.
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From:pythia
Date:February 9th, 2015 09:37 pm (UTC)
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Successful clothes shopping is always an unexpected bonus. Although I suspect I find it worse, because I'm in the 'have to buy what fits rather than what I like' fatty range, haha.

I always go with European sizing, because it's harder to confuse. I know I'm a 38 or 39 in Euro sizing - otherwise if I see an 8 I never know if it's an 8 UK, an 8 US or an 8 Aussie. At least if I see 38, I know there's really only one option it can be!
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From:tatjna
Date:February 9th, 2015 09:44 pm (UTC)
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So true. I love how shoe manufacturers just assume that everyone will know which size they mean.
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From:pythia
Date:February 9th, 2015 09:49 pm (UTC)
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It's not so bad instore, where you can try things on, but online? Oy vey!
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From:girlguitarist
Date:February 9th, 2015 10:21 pm (UTC)
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The only good thing we have going for us here are women's shoe sizes. My feet are 10 inches long, so I wear a size 10. (Maybe my size is the only one this works for though!) Where does the number 41 come from for Euro sizes? And men's also make no sense as I'm an 8.5 in US men's.

I wish we could just measure what size they are and that's the number!
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From:tatjna
Date:February 9th, 2015 10:52 pm (UTC)
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I concur! Length in cm (or inches if you're in the US or Myanmar), and wide/average/narrow. Simple.
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From:richaarde
Date:February 9th, 2015 10:49 pm (UTC)
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I don't know about the rest of the world, but here in the US women's clothing sizing is arbitrary. There is no actual standard that says what any size "should" be, so clothing manufacturers just size things as they see fit. Sizing even differs from manufacturer to manufacturer.
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From:tatjna
Date:February 9th, 2015 10:51 pm (UTC)
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Yes, it's like that here too. And now, I've discovered, the sizing will vary within the same manufacturer across time. Awesome.
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From:clevortrevor
Date:February 9th, 2015 11:25 pm (UTC)
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I'm all for size standardization, but standarizing on American sizes is a step in the wrong direction, for sure. I'll never forget when I was in grade school and first learned about the metric system. I got so excited about it! I'm pretty sure the US is just never going to get on board.
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From:tatjna
Date:February 9th, 2015 11:26 pm (UTC)
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Base 10 - not for the fainthearted.

;-)
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From:du_secondaire
Date:February 10th, 2015 12:19 am (UTC)
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This is...ridiculously confusing and unnecessarily complicated.
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From:meathiel
Date:February 10th, 2015 06:23 am (UTC)
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Funny enough the trend for downsizing hasn't arrived in Germany yet ...
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From:warriorsavant
Date:February 10th, 2015 01:14 pm (UTC)
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May be defaulting to US sizing, but also there is a sort of anti-size-inflation to flatter the buyer. That is, you think you're a size 6, but in OUR line, you're a size 4. Or 2. Or zero, which means either you or the clothing doesn't actually exist.
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From:tatjna
Date:February 10th, 2015 07:05 pm (UTC)
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Yes, vanity sizing. It's a thing.

Just this morning I found on my new (size 8) skirt, a wee sticker that had the US size 4 on it. So I've dropped from a 6 to a 4 in US sizing over the last 8 years, despite not having actually changed size.

Magic!

(i have a friend who takes a NZ6 (US 2-0?) in pants, and apparently they have stopped existing in most shops these days)
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